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Lost Odyssey: final fantasy su 360, quello vero

Discussion in 'Discussioni Generali sulle Console' started by ZumbarilÃ², Oct 8, 2007.

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Sinceramente dal video postato Pio non si vedono cali, almeno il mio occhio non li ha notati. Aspetterò il gioco completo prima di commentare comunque. per curiosità a che minuto e secondo li vedi?

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cioè non si può dire che il gioco ha dei cali di framerate dal video,anche se si notassero ma il gioco quando sarà completo non si sa se li ha,quindi inutile insistere che il gioco ha cali di framerate,aspettiamo almeno una demo dovi ci giochi sulla console,li si vedrà abbastanza bene se ha cali o va fluido o no?
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Lo vuoi capire che il gioco è completo?
vi faccio notare una cosa, finchè si parla di killzone in pre-beta, questo non può migliorare, quando si inizia a parlare di Lost Odissey che è uscito ieri in JAP, questo magicamente migliorerà....
mah.....

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Scusate ho scritto sopra che aspetterò il gioco completo,intendevo aspetterò di comprarlo e provarlo per giudicare. scusate l'errore.

vi faccio notare una cosa, finchè si parla di killzone in pre-beta, questo non può migliorare, quando si inizia a parlare di Lost Odissey che è uscito ieri in JAP, questo magicamente migliorerà....
mah.....
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ma infatti Lost Odyssey è questo, poi non so quando uscirà la versione pal ma non credo ci saranno miglioramenti. A me sembra gia maestoso per i miei gusti, poi appena lo comprerò vedrò se è spettacolare o mediocre.

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adriano999 said: ↑

Lo vuoi capire che il gioco è completo?
vi faccio notare una cosa, finchè si parla di killzone in pre-beta, questo non può migliorare, quando si inizia a parlare di Lost Odissey che è uscito ieri in JAP, questo magicamente migliorerà....
mah.....
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da quando da oggi?e il video postao cè da un po mi sembra che li aveva postati anche zumba,o mi sbaglio?

ma anche se completo noi quì lo stiamo giudicando sempre da un video mi pare o no?chi lo ha provato qui su console?

cmq non cambia il discorso xchè non si vedono cali di framerate,guarda il video ed essi sincero e dimmi se li vedi.

herri, Dec 7, 2007

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Scusate ho scritto sopra che aspetterò il gioco completo,intendevo aspetterò di comprarlo e provarlo per giudicare. scusate l'errore.
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scusa nella parte in-game si vedono tagli lungo lo schermo (più che cali di frame sembra tearing) e cali di frame

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scusa nella parte in-game si vedono tagli lungo lo schermo (più che cali di frame sembra tearing) e cali di frame
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Non ho quest'occhio così allenato, però non mi sembrano cali pesanti. Magari sbaglio eh,per carità. Però veramente mi viene difficile giudicare dai video, appena esce lo piglio e poi giudicherò.

stetho83, Dec 7, 2007

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Il gioco è uscito ieri ed ha gia venduto 40k copie.

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herri said: ↑

da quando da oggi?e il video postao cè da un po mi sembra che li aveva postati anche zumba,o mi sbaglio?

cmq non cambia il discorso xchè non si vedono cali di framerate,guarda il video ed essi sincero e dimmi se li vedi.
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Quei video ci son da due giorni, io adesso non sto dicendo che ci son cali o tearing, sto soltanto dicendo che il gioco sarà così come lo vedi nel video.....
non migliorerà e non peggiorerà

adriano999, Dec 7, 2007

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sto video è da mesi che è uscito, mica da 2 giorni.

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sto video è da mesi che è uscito, mica da 2 giorni.
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ma che dici....nel secolo scorso http://www.gamersyde.com/game_790_en.html

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tralasciando queste minchiatine e le allucinazioni di pio
vediamo qualche commento su quello che è più interessante, ovvero il gioco.

I'm about 9 hours down the road - yes, it all I have done today - and am enjoying it. Did it shatter the very earth upon which I stand? Not at all, but such a highly polished experience with obviously massive production values doesn't come along every day, and that's something to remember.

So, the bare bones. The lip sync issue sucks, the cutscenes look odd in Japanese but I tried the English voices briefly and then quickly switched back. If I go through again (fingers crossed for a New Game + that doesn't have to be downloaded) then I'll play with English voices second time. This isn't a concern for those of you who only want to play the game in English, anyway, and it will be nice for you guys to have it lip synced properly.

Super story heavy, too. You start the game at level 10, and after all day played I am now only level 18 (although more on that below). Often you simply move across a room or enter a new location and another cutscene starts. It took three hours before I even really got to see the battle system properly, and it is only really now that I'm starting to the potential in it. I've still only got three characters. Story and Japanese scr ipt and voice acting are top notch, however, (and whatever you think of the story of BD, the second two of these were fantastic in BD, so here's hoping you get a decent translation of them).

The short stories scattered throughout are simply put, amazing. Really, really nicely written. No exposition, no events that we will come back to later, just a total of 30 (I've seen about 8 so far) incidents in the life of a man who has lived for 1000 years. It feels kind of cheap creating such a rich character in Kaim through these (his in-game persona is little more than cool, quiet, moody ROG stereotype A) but the stories are beautifully done. The text appears in interesting ways, floating onto the screen, with key words appearing and key phrases remaining after the other text fades, and they have music and backgrounds that change according to what is happening. I wasn't sure if I would enjoy these (and each is quite long) but they are wonderful. My wife asks to be called into the room when I reach a new one ^-^

Combat appears super-by-the-book to start with, but there are some nice twists. The circle which appears on the screen is all about performing special attacks. First you need to find items (generally either picked up or got from monsters in battle) to make "Rings" which can then be equipped in addition to your weapon. These Rings give your attacks abilities like "Poision" etc. When your character attacks you hold down the right trigger and the second larger ring starts to shrink in around the smaller one. Let go of the trigger when the two rings meet and the effect of whatever Ring you have equipped is triggered.

Seeing as you are free to change your Rings when your turn comes around, you essentially have a stock of special attacks that you can pick and choose from depending on the next enemy you want to attack.

The wall system seems nice too - characters in the back are basically dead if attacked once the wall is gone - and the Skill Linking system (rather than getting skills from leveling up, Immortal characters have to link with a non-immortal to learn their skills) is nice too, although right now the points required to learn each skill are so low it is easy to just have them all.
Fixed skills for the human characters and severe variance in player stats also mean something lacking in most recent RPGS - truely unique characters. Rather than the "jack of trades" bunch games like BD and more recent FF games have seen, in which toward the end of the game everyone can do everything and all be exactly the same if you like, here (non-Immortal, at least) is walking a set path, and from their fixed pool of skills you then pick and choose which to give to your Immortals. I'm looking forward to this system flowering once I get more characters.

Also, EXP seems to be tightly controlled. You always seem to need only 100 for the next level, but I quickly noticed that after a couple of battles in the same place the enemies basically stop giving you EXP altogether, or only 1 or 2 points. Doing 50 battles to get one more level is pointless, and this "level cap" system means bosses should retain their difficulty.

Indeed, overall, the game is quite tough, the bosses in pariticular. As the game progresses this may loosen, but seeing as power / unintentionally over levelling due to exploring does not seem possible this time out hopefully bosses will prove a challenge right up until the end. Regular monsters have done for me a few times because of the classic "I don't need to heal my half dead characters until they are nearly dead" RPG mentality - the strength of the Wall is determined by total HP of the front rank characters when the battle starts, so the closer to max HP you keep your party at all times, the better.

So, to sum up - and for those who skipped to the end - quality around every corner, lovely music, lovely visuals, and a very adult, serious story with a seemingly simple but actually nice and deep combat system to play around with. I've cleared my schedule to enjoy this one in a concentrated burst so I'm sure I'll be back around here soon
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zumba ma non avete un moderatore del forum che ci fa la traduzione?
eheheh

herri, Dec 7, 2007

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ma che dici....nel secolo scorso http://www.gamersyde.com/game_790_en.html
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vai a vedere su ign quando è datato.

il video dei primi 10 min in game postato da pio è in giro da mò.

EDIT: Toh, quando si dice le coincidenze, sulla lista postata da te c'è quello che dico io
"The first 10 minutes: Lost Odyssey demo part 1" ed infatti è di 3 mesi fà.

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continua

First disc ended at 12:49. That was with reading all the novel extracts I found, talking to most of the towns people and searching every area for items ect (I want the All Chests achievement). However bosses killing me (happens a lot) and reloaded rather than continuing would have boosted the actual play time a little more than this.

My Xbox is two + years old and takes a real beating, especially in light of the recent slew of games, and so recently I've noticed the drive is taking slightly longer to load things than it did before. Still, the load times here are long - when a battle starts you are treated to magical cogs revolving, then the scenery you are going to be fighting in, then one of your characters saying something, then a full shot of your party getting ready to fight and then the camera spins to show your enemies and combat begins. It hasn't really started to annoy me yet though ^-^

What is annoying is when a boss kills you and you have to sit through mulitple "load-and-multi-part-skip" cutscenes to get back there. Anyone who failed the first shooting section in BD will know what I mean by this.

The split in the character types is really fantastic. The human characters are much weaker than the Immortals, and obviously run a fixed path. At some points they feel like nothing more than cattle for the Immortals to rob skills from ^-^ Not that they aren't useful in battle, but when one of them learns a new skill or you find a new accessory you have four characters (I have three of them now) who can then take that skill and mix it with every other skill there is. So you bascially get old school and totally customizable characters together.

The level cap system also means no one character can walk over every enemy that shows up. You know how after a while your Melee characters start to kill everything in one hit? (I'm looking at you Shu) Not happening here. Everyone is useful and the dyanmic with five characters in combat is just fanastic. Once I have all four Immortals I think my head might explode.

There is no limit on the number of skills a character can learn, but there are limits on how many they can have equipped. You need slots to equip them, and items called "Slot Nut" increase the number of slots. You can choose who to give these too and just find them in chests etc. so not sure if there is a maximum number of slots yet. Maybe but it looks high (I have 7 slots each for Kaim and Seth already.) The overall concept of having to raise the human characters to make your Immortals better is fantastic, too - when they learn a new skill it isn't just great for them, it opens up a whole new load of possibilities.

Anyway, I'm off to get back to it!
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vai a vedere su ign quando è datato.

il video dei primi 10 min in game postato da pio è in giro da mò.

EDIT: Toh, quando si dice le coincidenze, sulla lista postata da te c'è quello che dico io
"The first 10 minutes: Lost Odyssey demo part 1" ed infatti è di 3 mesi fà.
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scusa ehh....ma fottesega del video della demo, noi stavam parlando di quello del gioco completo....

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scusa ehh...ma fottesega del video della demo, noi stavam parlando di quello del gioco completo....
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in quello della demo non ci sono scatti ne altro, figuriamoci in quello del gioco completo.

Mihawk, Dec 7, 2007

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anzichè cercare ogni piccolo difetto per rinfacciarlo ai boxari, perchè non cercate di commentare quello che si vede dai video...

-giocabilità
-grafica
-musiche
-character design

la vostra credibilità aumenterebbe di molto. Invece no, tutti impegnati a cercare il pelo nell'uovo.

mi sono rotto.

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VperVendetta said: ↑

anzichè cercare ogni piccolo difetto per rinfacciarlo ai boxari, perchè non cercate di commentare quello che si vede dai video...

-giocabilità
-grafica
-musiche
-character design

la vostra credibilità aumenterebbe di molto. Invece no, tutti impegnati a cercare il pelo nell'uovo.

mi sono rotto.
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Come fai a commentare la giocabilità da un video? Non puoi valutare il controllo di gioco.

Razer(x), Dec 7, 2007

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se è per quello non si puo valutare niente tranne la grafica..senza gioco completo na recensione decente nn si fa

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Come fai a commentare la giocabilità da un video? Non puoi valutare il controllo di gioco.
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giocabilità è la traduzione di gameplay, controllo di gioco? eh???

tu dal video non riesci a distinguere un gears of war da un lost odissey? o uncharted da supermario galaxy? oppure ci devi giocare per apprezzare il gameplay?

da questi video si può capire qualcosa del battle system, dell'esplorazione, dei dialoghi

o no?

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